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5 January 2009 - ט טבת תשסטAre you interested in helping Israel win the war.? The war Israel is waging is as much a war of world opinion as it is a war on the ground.? Something that many people outside of Israel don’t realize is that there is a hacking war going on in the virtual world.? And as we’ve come to expect, the Israelis are playing by different rules than their enemies.
Pro-Hamas hackers have been busy hacking Israeli sites including Debkafile and The Bank Discount, and also the websites of Soldier’s Treasury Bank, Bank Hapoalim (not the main page), Rambam Hospital, the Society for Culture and Housing, BMW Israel, Subaru Israel, Jump Fashion, non-profit organization “Yedid,” Kadima’s youth website, and the Globus Group ticket center.
Our Israeli brethren want to play this dirty game, but their objective it to shut out offensive websites, not commercial websites that are removed from the conflict.? The Israeli hacking organizers are students looking to hit back and help Israel win this information war.
You can help them out – not by financial contributions, but by installing a small application on your computer that will help them generate the computer power to hit back at those disseminating false or misleading information about Israel, or who are involved in terrorist plotting.? For more information, please visit their website Help Israel Win.? Do your part and help Israel win this war of public support!
January 5th, 2009 - ט טבת תשסט at 8:23 am
I fully support the invasion of Israel against Hamas terrorists. Common Israel, it is your duty to wipe out the Hamas terrorists because they have been launching rackets and killing innocent civilians. Finish them off once for all. Also please help save Hindus in India against Islamic terrorists.
January 5th, 2009 - ט טבת תשסט at 11:39 am
There’s no doubt that Israel and India are involved in the same battle – this is a battle of global jihad where the stated goal is world domination. We’ve heard it time and time again from the Islamists – “Islam will rule the world”, and it seems that they intend to do so by using force. The Muslims have done this by preaching an “us versus them” message, which is joining the rest of the world together. People who haven’t realized their goals will soon realize them.
My heart goes out to Indians for the attack in Bombay. Unfortunately, India’s hands are tied due to Pakistan’s nuclear weapons. And this is precisely the reason why Israel is intent on keeping nuclear weapons out of the hands of it’s enemies like Iran. Let’s keep strong and keep fighting!
January 6th, 2009 - יא טבת תשסט at 10:54 pm
this is really not a good article. you are turning ppl against the country and its not fair. watch they come for u next
January 7th, 2009 - יא טבת תשסט at 12:40 am
We’re turning people against Israel? How so? These Israeli guys are targeting Hamas and other extremist websites, not commercial websites. We would NEVER support these guys if they went after Palestinian businesses…
January 8th, 2009 - יג טבת תשסט at 8:24 pm
OK. Seriously. Here’s the deal: Israel has made it IMPOSSIBLE for Palestinians to live with any dignity or respect. For the most part, the spoils of war holy land that now makes up the Israeli state was populated by these people who have been displaced to places like Gaza and the West Bank, and now we see that Israel is having a hard time keeping it’s hands off that.
It’s not like Israel would ever allow the PNA enough power that it could do something about the extremist hardliners who are shooting off rockets because they’re pissed — the people that Israel ought to be targeting since it apparently feels the need to target something lest it look like a pansy in the Middle East are the people that are perpetrating violence. This is not necessarily Hamas. If I take something from you, the odds are you’re going to want it back. If I refuse to give it back, and it’s something you care about (let’s see here o yeah LAND) then you’re going to try to take it back. By all means possible. It’s not enough that Israel won’t let the poor bastards eat (by attacking envoys carrying MEDICAL SUPPLIES, FOOD, WATER that were part of the LONG ESTABLISHED UNRWA for PALESTINIAN REFUGEES http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7818577.stm), but by taking away their basic rights as human beings you’re leaving them with limited options. I wish they’d engage in nonviolence as I think it would be far more effective against oppressive Israeli ideologies that are at work here.
400 Palestinians dead to 4 Israelis dead, we ought to be ashamed that there’s one person that’s died as a result of this nonsense. Start learning how to live with each other, seriously. None of you lot are going anywhere anytime soon, you’re just going to have to learn how to OMG SHARE BE NICE O SHI—
January 9th, 2009 - יג טבת תשסט at 12:55 am
Hi AJ, thanks for your comment.
Your whole argument is premised on the fact that the land was taken away from the Arabs. That is somewhat of a historical fallacy. Sure, there were Arabs whose families lived in Palestine before Jews arrived back to their homeland in the late 1800s, but nothing close to the 4 million Palestinians that are living in the West Bank and Gaza today.
For actual numbers, a pro-Palestinian site (palestineremembered.com) claims this number to be 411,000. The Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics claims that during the Ottoman ruling period, a total of 200,000 people lived in Palestine, and then gives the 1917 figure to be 515,000. It’s not clear what area these numbers cover.
Some historians claim that when the Jews began to arrive in Palestine in the late 1800s, they brought the potential for jobs, so Arabs from surrounding regions poured into Palestine. These people, of course, are now considered to be Palestinian (at least their offspring are) in any census numbers given.
Please remember, that there were an estimated 800-900,000 Jews living in Arab lands that were forced to leave their homes between 1948 and 1967. The majority of these people went to Israel. Why is this relevant? Because they likely left a lot more behind than land – including businesses and personal goods. Does that give these Jews from Arab lands to use weapons to get their stuff back? I don’t think you’d agree to that, would you? What if some Jews went into, say, Morocco and started lobbing rockets on the civilian populations (because they didn’t want to look like pansies, obviously), because their land, goods and businesses were taken away from them 60 years ago? Would you defend that action? The thing is, most Jews from Arab lands have MOVED ON – they moved to America, Israel, Canada, Australia, etc and have made new lives for themselves and their families. Why is it that when it comes to the Palestinians, everybody accepts the fact that they’ve been left by everybody BUT the Israelis to languish in refugee camps? There are 1.3 million Arab Israelis and they’re MUCH better off than the Palestinians elsewhere.
Now to respond to your other comments:
I’m not sure what you mean when you write “Israel is having a hard time keeping it’s hands off [the West Bank]“. The Palestinian Authority has had control over most of the West Bank for 10-15 years. Yes, some settlements still exist, but for the most part, Palestinians live under Palestinian controlled territory.
Your claim that Israel has “made it impossible for the Palestinians to live with dignity or respect” – if your’e accusing Israel of that, surely you have to make the same accusations of every country that has Palestinian refugee camps. Israel has actually done a lot to build up the Arab lands – for example, 5 universities in the West Bank were built under “the Israeli occupation” between 1967 and 1993. And you make a comment “Israel won’t let the poor bastards eat” – that is a patently false idea. I’ve seen pictures of Palestinians – they look like they’re quite well nourished to me. I’ve seen pictures and video from the last couple of weeks showing Gazans buying fruits and vegetables in the market. It’s not even close to some of the abject poverty we can see in some African countries, where people die of starvation.
With regards to your body count, I definitely agree that anybody is dead, Israeli or Palestinian – well, civilians anyway. I don’t cry when Palestinian rocket launchers have been killed – they’re the reason for this war and they deserve to be dead. The vast majority of the Palestinian dead are Hamas members, which is an acceptable target in war (as are the Israeli troops). As for learning how to live together, I wish this could happen. I know lots of Israelis and they almost unanimously wish this could happen. Israel has repeatedly called for a two-state solution with secure borders, but the Palestinians have continuously rejected it. Until they come to the realization that “none of the lot are going anywhere anytime soon”, maybe they’ll wisen up, put down their weapons, act like humans and come to equitable terms.
I pray for peace in our time!
January 9th, 2009 - יד טבת תשסט at 2:45 pm
Israel is know for hiding the truth and killing civilians. Israel must be completely destroyed so that Palestinians can leave happily.
January 9th, 2009 - יד טבת תשסט at 7:05 pm
John? Are you sure your name isn’t Osama or Mohammed? You think the destruction of Israel will make Palestinians happier? They invite misery upon themselves. Actually maybe they’re right – the only time they seem to be happy is when they hear about successful terrorist attacks…
January 10th, 2009 - יד טבת תשסט at 5:42 am
How is it possible that a nation how go through the holocaust, can beware themself later as arrogant nazi’s ??!!
January 11th, 2009 - טו טבת תשסט at 2:53 am
Jo, I know you probably don’t mean what you say. I’ve said it many times on this site there are major differences between Israel and the Nazis. Firstly, Israel is fighting an armed foe that has called repeatedly for it’s destruction. Sure, you might claim that they don’t have the means to carry out their goals, but before Israel’s current incursion, they were lobbing thousands of rockets into Israel. If Israel didn’t destroy their capabilities of launching more rockets, surely the abilities would be upgraded and perhaps in the future would be able to follow through on their desired to kill all the Jews in Israel. Israel isn’t about to accept a second Holocaust against the Jews.
Secondly, the Nazi’s were practicing genocide in the worst form. According to Wikipedia “800,000 who died from ‘ghettoization and general privation’; 1,400,000 killed in open-air shootings; and up to 2,900,000 who perished in camps”. Assuming that 5.9 million Jews died over 6 years of the Holocaust, that works out to almost 2700 Jewish non-combatants that were killed EVERY DAY of the Holocaust. The number is probably even higher than that. Israel is doing it’s best to destroy Hamas, not the Palestinian people. Even in this latest offensive, they’ve killed fewer than 100 people a day, most of them combatants, or civilians that lived near munitions depots, or civilians acting as human shields.
A comparison of Israel to the Palestinians is shameful. I hope you realize how disturbing it might be for Jews to hear these accusations. They are patently false.
January 13th, 2009 - יז טבת תשסט at 3:10 am
We don’t support the killing of children. But we also don’t support the use of human shields to protect munition supplies. If Hamas fought like real men, then no civilians would get killed. Hamas show themselves for the cowards they are, by surrounding themselves by women and children.
We’re the terrorists? How’s the possible? Israel has very defined targets – weapons supplies, Hamas fighters and tunnels used to smuggling weapons into Gaza. Once those targets are destroyed the war will end. Hamas has consistently announced their desire to destroy Israel and do it by targeting civilians specifically. The death of Palestinian children is truly regrettable – I do cry for Palestinian children that have lost their lives. However, I am certain that Israel has not intentionally targeted them (I know you know that too) and that if Hamas wasn’t operating near them, storing weapons near them or intentionally hiding behind them, they would still be living. That, my friend, is the horror of Hamas. You should realize this and want to get rid of them yourself – they brought this war on the Palestinians, not the Israelis.
We understand your hatred of Israel right now, but eventually you’ll realize that the worst enemy of the Palestinians is extremism – it will get them nowhere, but if they choose war against Israel, they will be destroyed. The future is up to the Palestians – they can choose war or peace – it is only up to them.
January 13th, 2009 - יח טבת תשסט at 6:23 pm
I KNOW YOU MOTHERFUCKERS WOULD SUPPORT THE WAR BUT YOU ARE THE TERRORISTS YOU ARE KILLING THE INNOCENT CHILDREN STUPID ASS MOTHERFUCKERS
January 14th, 2009 - יט טבת תשסט at 5:35 pm
I resent the terrible lies you feed people.
Give The People facts, not your racist piece of shit standpoint.
January 15th, 2009 - יט טבת תשסט at 2:00 am
Hi Kus Umek (funny that that’s what you called yourself. Can I call you by your English name, Your Mother’s Vagina?). Anyhow, with regards to your email, would you care to be a little more specific? Or is your intent to be angry and not respond to any points we’ve brought up? What do you disagree with?
January 16th, 2009 - כ טבת תשסט at 12:21 am
Israel will have to pay for every single drop of blood spilled by the the palestinian people and that very soon
January 16th, 2009 - כ טבת תשסט at 12:25 am
No justification is possible for the killing of children by Israel
January 16th, 2009 - כ טבת תשסט at 12:34 am
Really? Who’s gonna make them pay, the Hamas cowards that hide behind women and children? Hamas is getting destroyed – maybe finally there will be peace, but it doesn’t sound like you want it.
January 16th, 2009 - כא טבת תשסט at 2:40 pm
The world was a better place without Israel and it’s advent to the Middle east has brought only misery & pain to this area and dare to prove me mistaken. The conflict has been there for nearly a hundred year and Zionists have been found to lack intention tomake peace. Palastine belongs to Palastinians only !
January 16th, 2009 - כא טבת תשסט at 2:44 pm
TSF, your comment would be laughable if it wasn’t so damn sad. You obviously know nothing about what Israel has accomplished in it’s short history, as well as what is currently happening in the region.
Israel has won 8 Nobel Prizes in it’s short 60 year history, 4 in the last 7 years. They’ve won as many nobel peace prizes as Ireland, and more than the combination of Iran, Pakistan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Jordan, Morocco, Libya, Oman, Bahrain, the Palestinian Authority and the UAE (yes, combined). In fact, you can add up all the Muslim countries in the world and the combination of all of Muslim countries have won a grand total of 12. To me, it’s truly pathetic that over 1 billion people throughout the Muslim world can’t win more Nobel prizes that a country of 5 million Jews and 1 million Arabs.
Further, Israel:
- has the highest per capita number of university graduates
- produces more scientific papers per capita than any other country
- has the largest number of startup companies per capita
- has a larger economy than all of it’s neighbors combined
- has produce countless medical technologies (maybe some that saved your life!)
- developed the cellular phone (at Motorola’s development center in Israel)
- is largely responsible for developing Windows NT, which your operating system is most likely based on
- developed the Pentium MMX chip (at Intel’s development center in Israel)
Not bad accomplishments for a country that has been forced into war constantly. My advice to you? Do a little research before you make stupid comments like the one you made.
January 16th, 2009 - כא טבת תשסט at 2:54 pm
That is a trojan with keylogger packed in it. Do not install it on your computers.
January 17th, 2009 - כא טבת תשסט at 1:09 am
Funny, a guy from “Jihad Press” expects us to believe him. Hardy har. Go to his site – their grammar is awful. They’re probably a front for Hamas.
January 17th, 2009 - כב טבת תשסט at 5:45 pm
We the christian people, fully support Israel. The opponents of the jewish people are islamic jihadists and left-wingers who attack everything that is remotely connected with the USA. Where are these hypocrates when thousands of inocents are killed in Darfur, Sri Lanka, Tibet, Somalia ect? Why do they support a terrorist organization with connections to Al Queda? Don’t worry guys most of your critics are muslim idiots disguised with western names.
January 17th, 2009 - כב טבת תשסט at 6:56 pm
Thanks John. Firstly, not all Christians do support Israel, but most people with an appreciation for the text of the Scriptures, both Old and New, should support Israel.
Secondly, your point asking where these people are when people are killed in different places is a great one – there is generally no outcry from the left or Muslims when Muslims attacked. In fact, what’s amazing is there is the opposite of an outcry – there is plenty of justification for the crimes that Muslims commit. One good example is the terror attacks in Mumbai in November – there was no outcry by Muslims, no outcry by the left, probably because the target was Hindus, Jews and Westerners (i.e. non-Muslims). Why the left hates people adhering strictly to Judeo-Christian religions and loves Islamists is beyond comprehensible. There is no greater danger to their believe system (no God, religion is crap, etc.) than hardcore Muslims whose desire it is to change the world to their belief system, which they intend to do by force. Any lefties out there care to explain their stance?
February 3rd, 2009 - י שבט תשסט at 3:00 pm
It saddens me to read the above comments. So many innconcent lives were lost from both Israel and Palestine. I cannot imagine the grieve that those parents are feeling, yet here we are still fighting with words. Let us be the change for Middle East peace. Your muslim brother from South Africa
February 3rd, 2009 - י שבט תשסט at 9:27 pm
Salie,
Amen brother – I’m happy to hear a Muslim voice of peace! I hope your comments go directly from your mouth to God’s ears!
Peace!
April 4th, 2009 - י ניסן תשסט at 1:24 am
Israel has 8 noble prizes,3 of them noble prizes for peace (still comdendable), but all were born outside Israel. As for the Arab World only Egypt that won any noble prizes, but what does that tell you?. Israel may have won more prizes then China or all of South America, but still there is no such thing as Israeli cuisine, Israeli archetiture, Isreali music or culture period. As a matter of fact,in the international math and sciences apitude tests Israel was below average (even lower the slovina). Despite an extremely generous financial support from the US and Europe,they are hardly any Israeli companies that made it to the international scene despite the high expenditure in technology. Yes, there are many start ups in Israel,thanks for liberal laws and access to unlimited US funding throught stock market (at one point Israel had more companies listed the Canada),but where are all these companies?. Mostly bankrupt. There is a big difference between what Israel claim to be and it really is.They are many wonderfull Israeli people
in in general but Israel is based on racist principal.
How can you justify bringing an immigrant from Russia and give him citizenship because he is Jewish and deny that to the the great majority of original people?. How can you justify that any Jew can go to Israel but not the Palestinian that were ejected from their own homes. Your idea of most palestians came from neigboring countries will never not hold water, because there are many historical documents and etablished facts from the British and Turks that show that majority of the population up to WWII were Christian and Muslim Palestinians. At the turn of the centuary the Jews constitued less then 5%. I think for a better world,a two State solution is the only answer.
April 4th, 2009 - י ניסן תשסט at 3:29 am
Have we ever advocated for anything but a two-state solution?
We disagree with most of what you have to say – I don’t know where you get your information about aptitude tests (which you spell incorrectly) or about Israeli companies being bankrupt (proof?), but YES, Israel does has had more companies listed on NASDAQ than did Canada.
As for Israel being “based on a racist principal”, I couldn’t disagree with you more. Israel’s reason for being is to protect the Jewish people – and you cannot deny that the Jewish people have been a target of hatred and killing time and time again. To say that Israel is based on a racist principal is racist in itself – do you make the same claims about any other country that is religious in nature? What about the Middle East, that is pretty much devoid of Jews or Christians? How about South American countries that are, for the most part, very Christian countries? Israel has over 1.2 million Arabs in a country of six million people, over 20% of the entire population! How is that racist?
As for the numbers you pose regarding the number of Jews in Palestine at the turn of the century, have you bothered to look at the number of Jews in the Middle East at the turn of the century? After 1948, an estimated 900,000 Jews were forced to move from their homes in Arabs lands, leaving behind BILLIONS of dollars in businesses and personal belongings. Are these people insignificant to you? They’re not to us. We don’t think of this as an eye-for-an-eye situation, but it’s not like the situation in Palestine happened in a bubble – there was a greater context to it.
You’re obviously ignorant of the facts. Why don’t you contact us when you learn a little more about the history of the Middle East?