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thirdly you and your friends using david and goliath as a metaphore of israels current situation, am i right? david took golaith on with a slingshot, and he dident have americans on his side, and personally you cant posibly "crush" the arabs in war without american support, cos frankly without it....your screwd. you go on about a democracy, but does the jewish lobby in america have anything to do with democracy, i was always under the opinion that it was a system of, give us what we want, or we wont do this that or the other. i have no problems with arabs or jews, i dont know many. so i dont judge. i just think you cant possibly call this site un-biased when at the same time you want to "crush" them. Anyway hope this makes sense, dident mean to cause offence, just wanted to try and understand some of your perplexing, and in my opinion, contradicting viewpoints.
thanks.
some 16 yr old english kid.
GiladWednesday, 20 November 2002 05:41
Well Well, a fellow person from England... Let me start off by clearing up the first point. IsraelIs VASTLY smaller (unbelievably smaller - i think 1/80+ the size the size) than the Arab world. So it's a theoretical David. Population wise is very much the same. As for he did not have the Americans, I'd like to point out that firstly, the term Jewish lobby is more or less a racist one, since it insinuates that Jews' only concern is with Israel. Firstly what’s undemocratic about it? There are thousands of lobbies about everything, why point this one out as “undemocratic”? It’s part of the essence of American Democracy in fact!! The insinuation that they only care for Israel is simply untrue. Plus the lobby has many Christians and even some Muslims. Secondly, a large number of weapons in Israel now-a-days are MADE IN ISRAEL, not in America; so we don't need America much for that. Thirdly, you are obviously blinded to the fact that there are a large number of pro-Arab lobbies, who just happened to be less successful. Just because you hear about them less, doesn't mean they don't exist and try just as hard. Maybe in a few years they may even reverse the process since they are managing to grow without anyone paying attention. Also, this site is made to promote the truth, and yes, it has a bit of commentary. Being un-bias is worthless if you refuse to put the truth. We could give the Palestinians and Arabs a full hearing here, but with the entire Arab world living under the Arab propaganda machine, and the Palestinian textbooks teaching hatred and mis-facts, what’s the point? The Palestinians are under a brain-washed incorrect knowledge, so why would their point be valid? Their feelings are but that’s irrelevant. This is the truth today. The Palestinian opinion is based on faulty facts, and thus what they think isn’t as valuable, since they don’t know the truth. As for crushing them in a war, we've tried the peace option, we've offered them what even their own Arab brothers refused to do - offered them a country of their own, and instead, they broke all their agreements and began building an army of terror (on European tax money...). This army does not talk much about negotiations, just about forcing the "Zionists" (Israelis) to surrender to EVERY SINGLE DEMAND, which includes the destruction of Israel. This is why they must be crushed. Originally there were negotiations, which have brought more death to Israel in a few years than much of its entire history; it's definitely brought more fear. Who needs this peace when you have more fear and death than in war? The point is that looking at the racist, fascist, stealing, corrupt, propagandising, terror funding regime that's been set up there, it may well be much easier to remove it by force, and start anew - praying that Palestinians have not been brainwashed beyond a point-of-no-return.
Richard HernandezThursday, 10 June 2010 11:52
If there are 1.2 Muslims and 14 million Jews.
This is an 85 to 1 ratio.
You can't include the US, because Obama is assisting his Muslim roots by abandoning Israel.
The Jews have been around for 5300 years and the Muslims are their descendent's.
The Jews make decisions with reason, the Muslims use their emotions to guide them.
The worst thing that has ever happened to the people of earth was the writing of the Koran.
If the Koran had never been written we would have peace.
If you die killing Jews in Jihad, you will be welcomed into heaven with 72 virgins, please. This is insane thinking. Is there anything in the Koran that specifically states these virgins will be human?
Are you going to sue, if you are victim to a bate and switch after you are dead? I know, this is stupid, but this is my thinking when faced with stupidity.
k im kind of confused here, to be perfectly honest i know little about the middle east although my father (deceased) was a leftenant col. in the york and lancishire regiment, had the upmost respect for the arab people. im not giving a biased opinion, im just trying to understand your point of view, i read your old guestbook. and it was riddled with hipocracy (in my opinion) you say you want peace, but only when the arabs are destroyed. "The violence will only stop when the Arabs are crushed in war. Brute force seems to be the only way to show the Arabs who is boss." that was my first problem with your argument. the second bieng the fact that you accuse the arabs of racisim, you say that "arabs" (that implies ALL people of arabian background) can not be trusted.( in the old guestbook) are you sure all arabs can not be trusted? is that a fair statement? if that is what you belive that is a racist statement is it not?
GiladWednesday, 20 November 2002 11:52
I think you misunderstood. There is little 'hipocracy' in the idea. The current leaders of most (if not all) the Arab world are dictatorships, they have 'elections' where their party always wins with a large (99% usually) majority. Does that sound democratic? in some even the opposition voted for the government. The governments also have "information" ministries. Have you ever heard of that in England? No. Let me explain to you what it is: "Censorship ministry". It's funny how the censors of free press are the ones to often be interviewed by CNN... a "free speech" reporting agency. This ministry decides what can and cannot go on the air (or be published). Now most people who advocate peace and co-existance with Jews and Israel never make it to the TV or the main papers (which already shows the thinking of the arab governments), however the aggressive anti-semitism (often using exact nazi quotes and propaganda) runs wild in many arab countries including egypt which is SUPPOSE to have a proper 'peace agreement' with Israel.... They also send money to terror organizations. The intention isn't that no arab can be trusted, rather that currently, in todays world (funded by both the US, but more so in many areas by the EU, including Britain), the main arab population is brainwashed, and filled with conspiracy theories that arn't true. Where Israel offers help and peace, they only see conspiracies. Thats truely sad, for both Israel, Jews, the west and the arabs themselves, but the reality is that. Therefore, these dictatorships (Arafat in this case) need to be crushed and replaced with a democracy thats willing to tell people the truth, as well as truly represent the people's interests, rather than some own nationalistic murderous dream. Until such a thing happenes, the death and killing and promotion of murder will continue by the arab world indefinately. When it truley happenes maybe we'll start seeing the Arab world (in general, not as individuals) act as part of the world, rather than be concerned with jihad and sacrificing their bodies to g-d while taking all the "infidels" (all of us, assuming your not muslim) with them. I've heard many good stories about arabs as individuals, but as societies and nations they are filled with racism, corruption and hatred. The governments live by promoting hatred against others.... it's ALWAYS brought people together to find out theres a big enemy just waiting to destroy you out there. Unfortunately the result is that they cause their own horrors by attacking other states and people due to misinformation, and then other states fight back. The point is, in their current form, as brainwashed people, how can you truley trust them? Will you trust a nazi? After all, many Germans today have a very obvious Nazi past. But democracy (luckily) took over AFTER THEY WERE CRUSHED IN A WAR and look at germany today - peaceloving and relatively friendly! (not to mention thankful to the west that crushed the nazis!). The same rules apply.
Let me first and foremost say that I was born a Christian and have been raised that way all of my life. The Christian faith is a direct child of Judaism and the Jews. Even if I may not be directly descended from Isaac and Abraham, I will claim that I am one of their seed.
Now on to the Muslims. They are the outcast of Abraham's camp, that hate the true children of God's promise. I have nothing but hate and contempt for Ishmael's descendents, and Muhammad's (Son of a whore, and fathered by satan) followers. Trust me, I want too, and dream of the ways that I can help in the destruction of Mecha and Medina. This is the only way (that I believe) peace will come to you (Israel) and us (Christians).
May God hear the suffering of his (true) children, and destroy Islam!
GiladMonday, 18 November 2002 14:10
Thank you for voicing your opinion, it's very important in a democracy that we do so!!
However, having said that, I should note that this site is NOT intended to promote hatred in any way or form. The purpose of this site is to promote the truth. Sometimes the truth may come off as insulting religiously (in this case in relating to Islam), but in an imperfect world this can happen. But in any order, the promotion of hatred was not the intention of this site and thus I cannot commend these comments.
there is nothing to be said... it is nothing new.. you Isreals are very well talented in changing the truth and creating false stories, then you advertise it everywhere till it becomes a real thing... you lie to people and to yourselves till the whoe world believes you.... for example, how come no one Arab leader did not come to visit Jerusalem.... this is totaly crap.... what about Salah El-Din.... was he a jew .... may be ....
GiladWednesday, 13 November 2002 06:19
Thanks for writing (and visiting the site). however, I must note that it's unfortunate to see how deep some peoples bias and hatred is of israel that when the truth smacks them in the face, they still cannot accept it, but then the arab worlds propaganda machine is all about firstly spreading lies and deceptions, followed by spreading conspiracy theories. This creates an atmosphere that when the truth comes out, it only seems like a big conspiracy. I'm afraid there’s no conspiracy here, just the truth. As you said, it is nothing new. Also, this site, designed by Steve, isn't 'made in israel' so you have already shown the bias I was referring to. As for your second comment, it's not very clear at all. If you'd like to find out more about the racism and propaganda in arab press I suggest you re-visit this site, as well as http://www.memri.org and http://www.pmw.org.il.
SteveWednesday, 20 November 2002 21:29
Gilad forgot to respond to one point. Salah El-Din (I'm assuming you're referring to Saladin) was not an "Arab leader" - when I refer to "Arab leader", I'm talking about a political leader from recent history, say in the last 100 years. In that respect, no "Arab leader", that is, no Arab political leader, visited Jerusalem. Why not? Because Jerusalem was and is unimportant to Arabs. I challenge somebody to find me evidence that Jerusalem was holy to Muslims over 100 years ago.
GiladSaturday, 2 November 2002 12:12
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